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cheaper unregistered
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posted 09-06-2005 11:44 AM
I got top and bottom aligners with a schedule of 15months. $2900.Invisalign offered dental practitioners a $900 discount, and my dentist was honest enough to apply it to me rather than pocket it!
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Cheaper unregistered
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posted 09-06-2005 11:46 AM
Sorry, I am in TX
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Ash unregistered
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posted 09-06-2005 02:52 PM
quote: Originally posted by Mari: Can anyone recomend a good dentist or Ortho. in the Bay Area Ca???
Where are you in Bay area? I have been to few doctors in sunnyvale, San Ramon and Fremont. You can email me in which area you are looking and I'll let you know about the doctors and the prices they quoted me.. You can email me at scorp3175@yahoo.com.
Thanks..
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deborah unregistered
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posted 09-06-2005 08:14 PM
Snoops, if you can make it past the first 1 1/2 you are golden. You really cannot see them and you do get used to them..don't worry...the ladies won't notice  quote: Originally posted by Snoops: hey .. I am a 23 yd Old Male from Chicago with a few a disoriented upper teeth. Planning to visit my ortho to get a try Invisalign. Have a few concers though. It is really invisi- in nature...i mean is it easy to conceal my trays from the normal eye.. And also which doctor did u see in the chicago area.
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John unregistered
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posted 09-06-2005 08:45 PM
I don't feel so bad about needing to wear almost 50 invisalign sets for upper (fortunately "only" 30 for lower).As for cleaning, Efferdent is cheap and it works great. If people laugh at you at the drugstore just say you're buying it for your grandma.
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John unregistered
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posted 09-06-2005 08:47 PM
P.S. as for price, it was $7,000 in SF Cali. Fortunately, my dental insurance pays $4,000, though I wonder if it would have been cheaper if I didn't tell them about the insurance until after they quoted me the price
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pharmgirl unregistered
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posted 09-06-2005 09:54 PM
OK...DOES the Efferdent work? They gave me a little brochure trying to sell their sonic-cleaner-thingy for a HUNDRED bucks! It said that denture cleaners and mouth wash will dull the invisalign making them cloudy. When I get up in the AM I do drop them in a mouthwash/water mix until after breakfast, coffee & brushing. If they were just B.S.ing to sell their machine, I will TOTALLY try efferdent! If I had to wear them for more than 2 weeks each, I might have popped for the $100, but I figure 2 weeks is manageable to keep them clean. Anyone else try efferdent?
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Derek unregistered
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posted 09-07-2005 04:01 AM
Yes, efferdent does work.
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Ray unregistered
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posted 09-07-2005 01:45 PM
quote: Originally posted by Derek: Yes, efferdent does work.
How long do you keep the trays in the efferedent? Thx
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Nicole unregistered
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posted 09-07-2005 05:01 PM
I keep my aligners in the Efferdent for a minimum of 15 minutes and probably no more than 45 minutes. I don't know if it matters if you leave it in too long but you'll probably want to leave them in for at least 15 minutes for the solution to work. And it works great. You'd never get me to pay for that expensive system they try to sell. I mean - it's 2 weeks. It does not get that bad in 2 weeks. quote: Originally posted by pharmgirl: OK...DOES the Efferdent work? They gave me a little brochure trying to sell their sonic-cleaner-thingy for a HUNDRED bucks! It said that denture cleaners and mouth wash will dull the invisalign making them cloudy. When I get up in the AM I do drop them in a mouthwash/water mix until after breakfast, coffee & brushing. If they were just B.S.ing to sell their machine, I will TOTALLY try efferdent! If I had to wear them for more than 2 weeks each, I might have popped for the $100, but I figure 2 weeks is manageable to keep them clean. Anyone else try efferdent?
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Jonathan unregistered
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posted 09-07-2005 06:48 PM
I can't believe how many people actually listen to everything their orthodontist says like good little lapdogs or something, haha, it's hilarious. You do not take Invisalign retainers out to dinner or to the bars, plain and simple -- why would you even think of doing that?I'm a week away from finishing my lower sets and more than half-way done with the upper, and I've had great results. Every time my orthodontist asked (she's Asian), "So you wear retainers all time yes?" I'm like, "Yeah, uhh, sure pretty much." Yeah right. I don't wear them when I'm working out, how the hell could you wear retainers when you're trying to bench press 200+ pounds or leg pressing 1,000 pounds? You can't! It makes me want to gag. I gave up on that. I'd say I've worn the retainers no more than 16 hours a day and as little as 14 hours a day and it worked just fine for me. I feel sorry for everyone who actually took that 22 hours per day "all of the time except when you're eating" nonsense literally. But whatever, to each his own.
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Ray unregistered
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posted 09-08-2005 08:26 AM
Well.. Day 2 of wearing the aligngers... the hardest part is not snacking and drinking Coffee all day.... and it is really tough to get these off. Anyone have any tips on how easily remove the aligners? I am hoping it gets easier with practice...
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Val unregistered
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posted 09-08-2005 10:06 AM
Hi,I was wandering if you'd found out where that orthodontist is who quoted £3500 for the invisalign treatment? I cant get a quote below £5500. I wouldnt mind, but when i first looked into a simlar treatment 4 years ago it was £1800! :-(
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Nicole unregistered
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posted 09-08-2005 11:16 AM
Trust me - it gets much easier with each new set. I'm on my 6th set I think and I have no problem. I only have tops but I start with the left and pull down, the right pull down and then grab the front and pull the aligner out. Basically do one side at a time and then pull form the front. It's never taken me more than 20 seconds to get them in or out (well my very first day or two it might have taken longer but it wasn't too bad) and I would say now at this point I can put them in and take them out in less than 10 seconds easy. quote: Originally posted by Ray: Well.. Day 2 of wearing the aligngers... the hardest part is not snacking and drinking Coffee all day.... and it is really tough to get these off. Anyone have any tips on how easily remove the aligners? I am hoping it gets easier with practice...
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I love duran duran unregistered
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posted 09-08-2005 06:36 PM
Well I am glad I found this site. I am doing my impressions on Monday and I can't wait. I see all the post about how hard it is to take them out , But I figure the pros out weigh the cons. I mean metal braces at 35 NOT CUTE. It's funny I have these really full lips that most people comment on and I always pictured myself wearing metal braces and all I could see was my lips sticking out way far and looking really huge. I mean people would really say they were big then. Also I am all about appearence so to have no one see these will be great. I think if you want nice teeth bad enough and you are willing to spend so much money to get them, A little pain and time is nothing. I can't wait and I am so prepared for them. Mostly from reading the board and seeing what I have to look forward to. I had some deep cleanings to get done and 2 cavaties to get filled befor I could procceed, but now that is all over. I can get on with it. It has just made the whole thing seem much longer, but I am sure it will be worth the wait. I am also looking forward to a more strict diet. I can stand to lose a couple of pounds.
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Trixie unregistered
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posted 09-08-2005 10:14 PM
Well I just went to the Ortho and I have been given 3 options: 1-Braces, 2-Invisalign, or 3-Ortho Clear. I really don't want tacky braces and Ortho Clear(competitor of Invisalign) has never been used yet by my Ortho office so I don't know much about it...other than that it is fairly new out on the market. So...I've been trying to read up on Invisalign although it will be the most expensive out of all 3. I read all of the posted msgs and I'm so glad I came across this msg board!! My concern is the fact that most of you out there have trouble taking the alignments out and my fear is that I have 2 crowns where I had to have root canals and Im afraid that I may pull a crown out trying to get the darn thing out! Has anyone out there had this happen or have crowns where they are fine when you take out the alignments?? Also I know some of you mentioned buttons....my ortho never mentioned anything about those??? How are those put onto your teeth and when they come off do you have a spot where they used to be? Any info is appreciated!!! Thanks!
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Jay unregistered
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posted 09-09-2005 03:13 AM
Well Jonathan, who's a big clever boy then?!! Let's hope you really do know more than the experts and that your bones and roots don't eventually suffer because you've given them less time to adapt to the aligners. quote: Originally posted by Jonathan: I can't believe how many people actually listen to everything their orthodontist says like good little lapdogs or something, haha, it's hilarious. You do not take Invisalign retainers out to dinner or to the bars, plain and simple -- why would you even think of doing that?I'm a week away from finishing my lower sets and more than half-way done with the upper, and I've had great results. Every time my orthodontist asked (she's Asian), "So you wear retainers all time yes?" I'm like, "Yeah, uhh, sure pretty much." Yeah right. I don't wear them when I'm working out, how the hell could you wear retainers when you're trying to bench press 200+ pounds or leg pressing 1,000 pounds? You can't! It makes me want to gag. I gave up on that. I'd say I've worn the retainers no more than 16 hours a day and as little as 14 hours a day and it worked just fine for me. I feel sorry for everyone who actually took that 22 hours per day "all of the time except when you're eating" nonsense literally. But whatever, to each his own.
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I love duran duran unregistered
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posted 09-09-2005 08:28 AM
I am going to exzctly waht my ortho tells me ,, I maen as much as they cost why risk them not working or damageing something. I mean you don't have the options with metal braces as you do with invisalign, would you sit and say I am going to take these metal braces out and eat and then put them back in. I mean this is a far better option . I think you need to think of it same as metal you just or able to take them out to eat.
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kimbob58 unregistered
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posted 09-09-2005 04:00 PM
Jonathan, it seems to me you're really playing with fire by not following your ortho's directions. There has been a lot written on this web site about why it is important to wear the aligners for a designated amount of time. I would think that wearing them 14-16 hours per day would be very similar to shortening the time between changing aligners. You're moving teeth through bone - no small matter!. Bone and ligaments need time to heal, recover and regenerate. If you're only wearing your aligners about 15 hours per day, then your teeth are constantly moving, and your bone and tissue are not healing properly. You may be pleased with the results now, but in the long term you may find that your teeth become loose and even can fall out. Below I have cut and pasted a message from Julian W. Chen, DDS, who occaisionally contributes to this message board:"Yes, it would be bad to change your aligners earlier than recommended. This is because bone can only grow/recontour so fast. Once you exceed that rate of growth, you will end up losing bone. If your teeth are moved too fast, you will likely experience generalized, moderate bone loss throughout your mouth AS WELL as root resorption, making the roots of your teeth unnecessarily shorter. Short roots + bone loss = extremely very bad combination. Short of immaculate home oral hygiene and a strict schedule of regular cleanings and exam, you may experience premature loss of teeth at an earlier age. In essence, you'll be shooting yourself in the foot. I'm assuming that you're undergoing orthodontic treatment to have straighter teeth for a more cosmetic smile, correct? Well, what good will all this do if you increase the chance of them to falling out in the future? My advice to you is for you to be as patient as possible. One of the benefits of Invisalign is that they are already near-invisible to the untrained eyes. Don't subject yourself to unnecessary risks by not following the recommended timeline." Jonathan, you also indicated that you lie to your ortho about your aligner wear-time. If you are so confident that you know better than she does, why don't you openly discuss it with her? She could explain why it is so important to wear your aligners for the prescribed amount of time. I find it interesting that you think you know more than the educated, experienced experts. Orthodontia is not new, but you are, at best, a novice in the field. I don't know about your situation, but I'm not paying any more for wearing my aligners the recommended way, so it's not as though my ortho is making more money off me by feeding me some "nonsense" about the prescribed method. Also, I don't understand why you find it impossible to wear the aligners while working out. I mow the lawn, run 3-4 miles, lift weights, have sex (yes even oral) with my aligners in. No, I don't bench press 200 lbs., but it's all relative (I'm a 5'4", 115 lb. woman). They just don't interfere. And as for going out to dinner or for a drink, it's a bit of a hassle, but certainly not that big a deal. My friends all know I'm going to go to the bathroom to deal with my aligners before and after a meal, so I don't have to say anything or make a big deal of it. It sounds to me as if you're simply justifying your behavior and, frankly, being kind of a wimp about this stuff. I think you're being rather reckless taking such a chance with your teeth and general oral health, and I hope most of this message board's readers are sensible enough to listen to a qualified orthodontia provider rather than a self-styled "expert" such as yourself. And people, don't take it from me - talk to your ortho about these matters.
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ROBINCT unregistered
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posted 09-09-2005 10:56 PM
KIMBOB, You said a "mouthful". I hope everyone reads your post. I couldn't agree more! I've waited nearly ALL my life for straighter teeth. I want them to last the rest of my life. Both of my parents had false teeth at an early age. I've been given this opportunity that they never had and I'm taking full advantage. Like yourself, I'm active. I workout regularly, run, teach a spinning class and teach middle school students. Other than for eating and brushing, my aligners are now a part of my mouth. Plain and simple. There is NO part of me I don't own, love and respect. Shame? I have none! From a proud wearer of Invisalign, smiles to all! ROBINCT
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toronto unregistered
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posted 09-10-2005 07:00 PM
i just got them yesterday and all last night my mouth was open it feels a little better today my tounge is vey sore and if i knew how it fealt i would not gone true it but what i read here it will get better my liner is ver hard to put on my nail hearts and i rather go hungry my buttons are on mostly on bottem side and suppose to be a one year traetment. i pray to god it would be over already
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Jay unregistered
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posted 09-11-2005 03:14 AM
Toronto...it does get better, honest, as people on here have said many times...although I'm only onto my second aligner. My nails hurt too for the first few attempts at removing the first one and I had to use a little crochet hook that the orthodontist gave me, but I don't need that now. I can't say, though, that I'm looking forward to having "buttons" fixed as I'm imagining it's far more difficult to remove the aligner then.
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I love duran duran unregistered
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posted 09-11-2005 01:27 PM
does anyone know how long between the time you do the impressions and the time you go back for your clin check. I have my impressions done in the morning. I am anxious to see how long my treatment will be. I understand they tell you at clin check.
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Jay unregistered
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posted 09-12-2005 02:56 AM
I believe it's normally 4-6 weeks.
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I love duran duran unregistered
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posted 09-12-2005 11:40 AM
well I went and did my impressions, that was odd. They were my first ones and my ortho wants to take a couple of days to look over them to be sure he doesn't see anything that will poss a problem. He says he doesn't suspect he will find anything, But said to come back Monday for the final impressions. I am so excited the receptionist has invisaligns, so I have been asking her lots of questions. She said their office has an average wait time of 3-4 weeks once the impressions are sent out. I can't wait. My total cost is $4,500. It will be the best money ever spent, well aside from buying my vip tickets to duran duran hehehe.
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Heather unregistered
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posted 09-12-2005 03:59 PM
Hello Eric! I just finished with 14 months with the invisalign and I am REALLY happy with the results so I have no regrets about it. But just so you know, I was supposed to have these for 8 months as well so don't be surprised if it takes longer than that and if you need to have new molds made at some point if the results are not as expected along the way. My ortho is now advising me to continue wearing them as much as possible for the next year, and then overnight beyond that (like a standard retainer) Again, my experience was really smooth and I highly recommend it, but don't attach yourself to the timelines and keep the end result in mind. Trust me -- it's worth it! Best wishes!> quote: Originally posted by eric: I am currently on my 5th aligner, and I am very pleased with the process so far. I'll admit, my first aligner was the worst. It hurt for about a week, and taking it out felt like I was going to break a few teeth, but now, the worst part is just the first couple of days of a new aligner. On those days I try to keep them in as much as possible and that seems to help. I am scheduled to only have them on for 8 months. I was shocked as I thought it would take a lot longer. I think I will be very pleased with the process, and I hope that when everything is done I don't have to where one everyday so my teeth don't move!!
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pharmgirl unregistered
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posted 09-12-2005 09:56 PM
Yeah. I have a hard time leg pressing 1000 lbs. with those damn Invisalign in, too. Must be the orthodontia.HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAH! Hilarious. Great replies, everyone!
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Jonathan unregistered
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posted 09-12-2005 10:50 PM
More power to you if you can do body building with gag-worthy retainers in your mouth, but I gave it a go and couldn't manage. And of course I did Invisalign for appearances (partially and also having straight teeth just feels better), so to forfeit working out as hard (and looking and feeling my best) to wear the retainers all the time is just not worth it.I've had great success doing what I have done, and if something isn't broke, don't fix it. It reminds me of braces, they give you all kinds of advice about what to eat and what not to eat, I had braces once, the guy was an idiot though and I should never have had them that early, they were useless, and I ate whatever I wanted without problems. And, please, I don't need to hear about working out from a girl -- no girl knows what it's like to work out hard. What girls consider working out is very light intensity compared to actual body building. Unless of course the girl IS a body builder, but that's less than 1% of the population, so unlikely. My friends don't even really know about my retainers, my best friend does, but I don't wear the retainers that often when they are around because usually we're out drinking or whatever. You cannot wear retainers when you go out to the bars. That is a simple fact. There are two things they tell you, 1) Do not wear Invisalign when you are eating or drinking anything but water, and 2) Wear Invisalign all the time when you're not drinking of eating. Now tell me, genius, how can you wear Invisalign while you are the bar drinking? You can't. You're constantly drinking something, for a period of at least several hours, and therefore it wouldn't be useful or intelligent AT ALL to bring your retainers with you. Unless you're old and boring and never go out to the bars, in which case... good for you, you can wear them all the time, if you lead a completely sedentary life and don't go out to bars, then you should have no trouble. I wear them as much as I can, which ends up being about 16 hours a day. There are days it is 18 hours, but that's not real regular I'd say. I just think some of you are way too worried -- your orthodonist is going to tell you whatever works BEST. It clearly works BEST if you wear your retainers as much as possible, i.e. all the time. But it works fine if you don't, too. And I change my retainers weekly, at the advice of my orthodonist. I've never had much trouble wearing them, they slide in and out easily and they don't hurt hardly at all, so no I've never had trouble with constant movement. If I had them out for 12 hours at once, that would be bad. But as long as it's less than 4 hours, it's fine.
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Jay unregistered
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posted 09-13-2005 03:23 AM
Jonathan...sounds as though you spend so long at the bar that it's a wonder you can see clearly enough to get the aligners back in properly!!
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Jay unregistered
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posted 09-13-2005 05:09 AM
I've had great success doing what I have done, and if something isn't broke, don't fix it. It reminds me of braces, they give you all kinds of advice about what to eat and what not to eat, I had braces once, the guy was an idiot though and I should never have had them that early, they were useless. Jonathan...did you faithfully wear a retainer after that first treatment?? Unless you're old and boring and never go out to the bars. Let's hope you don't end up old and toothless!! I wear them as much as I can, which ends up being about 16 hours a day. There are days it is 18 hours, but that's not real regular I'd say. And I change my retainers weekly, at the advice of my orthodonist. .[/B][/QUOTE] So Jonathan, you're saying that your orthodontist says it's ok for you to wear each aligner for about 120 hours whereas the recommended time is over 300 hours....are you trying to get her into trouble? You didn't actually tell her, of course, that you only wear them roughly 16 hours a day....poor woman.
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I love duran duran unregistered
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posted 09-13-2005 07:53 AM
boy it would be a cring shame if someone just starting thier treat actualy listened to Jonathan. I hope those already wearing them would know better then to be so foolish. I am sure the orthos are the profeessionals for a reason. What do think they are all sitting in a room and one Dr. says hey let's tell them to wear the aligners for 20hrs a day that will be funny. Like I said I will do everything my ortho tells me, I must be some kind of lap dog! I am lucky I don't drink coffee, don't smoke, I am only an accasional drinker can live without it. I don't push 200+ pounds I leave that for my husband. I only eat 2 meals a day as it is. I think I will be fine with the required amount of time.
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Nick unregistered
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posted 09-13-2005 09:40 AM
Classic - that was awesome. lol quote: Originally posted by Jay: Jonathan...sounds as though you spend so long at the bar that it's a wonder you can see clearly enough to get the aligners back in properly!!
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Glitter Star unregistered
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posted 09-13-2005 09:58 AM
did anyone find it hard to breath when doing the fianl castings..When I did my first castings when they did the top it felt wierd to breath. And that only took a few seconds I am worried for the final castings because I understand it takes 5 mins.
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Jay unregistered
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posted 09-13-2005 12:55 PM
Let me try my last message again as it looked as though I was making some of Jonathan's comments...can't have that!!Jonathan said.... "I've had great success doing what I have done, and if something isn't broke, don't fix it. It reminds me of braces, they give you all kinds of advice about what to eat and what not to eat, I had braces once, the guy was an idiot though and I should never have had them that early, they were useless." Jonathan...did you faithfully wear a retainer after that first treatment?? Jonathan said...."Unless you're old and boring and never go out to the bars." Let's hope you don't end up old and toothless Jonathan!! Jonathan said ....I wear them as much as I can, which ends up being about 16 hours a day. There are days it is 18 hours, but that's not real regular I'd say. And I change my retainers weekly, at the advice of my orthodonist." .[/B][/QUOTE] So Jonathan, you're saying that your orthodontist says it's ok for you to wear each aligner for about 120 hours whereas the recommended time is over 300 hours....are you trying to get her into trouble? You didn't actually tell her, of course, that you only wear them roughly 16 hours a day....poor woman.
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pharmgirl unregistered
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posted 09-13-2005 01:02 PM
Yeah, Jonnie boy...you stand corrected, since I HAVE done fitness competitions. (Even if I hadn't, I know PLENTY of hard-working women who know EXACTLY what real exercise is.) Being in that arena, I know enough REAL bodybuilers to know that they don't spend all of their time in bars drinking. It ruins all of your efforts and messes up your blood sugar. Duh. Now on the OTHER hand, I've seen PLENTY of posers who like to pick up extra heavy weights, grunt out a couple of reps and throw the weights onto the floor like they are too heavy to put down. THOSE guys spend plenty of time greased up at the bars. Wonder which one you might be?Now, back to the ACTUAL topic, yes, your mouth does get extra dry when working out wearing Invis., but you just end up drinking more water, which is a huge plus anyway!
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