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Topic: Invisalign Braces
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D_12
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posted 06-21-2007 03:22 PM
 
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Originally posted by Jon:
is it bad to move to the next set of trays before the two or three weeks is up? I mean, if you can get the next set of trays to fit correctly on your teeth is it okay to switch a few days early? I don't want to rush things, but if I feel like my current trays are loose and my teeth are finished moving, I might as well move on.Thanks! Jon
I was reading the whole thread today and came across this post which pretty much answers your question....
It's form poster josh888 Here's what I've learned: For most people, each new tray will move your teeth a maximum of 0.25 mm (per tooth, but not all teeth are moving with every tray). This tooth movement is complete usually within 72 hours, or three days. Most of us can agree that after 3 days the soreness and tightness of the tray is about gone. But with the tooth movement, the bone and tissue have weakened (they have to be in order for the teeth to move), and it is important that the bone and tissue have ample time to recover, repair, regenerate, etc. A dentist posted somewhere on this website, saying that if the bone and tissue don't fully recover, then you end up with bone LOSS. Less bone density equals some potentially bad stuff -- loose teeth, maybe lost teeth, and in the end your perty new Invisalign-corrected smile is vulnerable to returning to "not so perty" very easily. So yeah, technically you could switch your trays every 4 days and cut your treatment time by about 70%, haha. But, IF you made it to the end of the treatment with all of your teeth, you're likely due for a heap of trouble for years to come because the bone holding your teeth is like swiss cheese... With that said, I've theorized a couple of times in this thread about the subject, and I think that the "2 week" thing is generalized -- every person is different as to how quickly their body recovers from injury (which is basically what's happening to your teeth). The dentists will instruct a patient to wear his/her trays LONGER, but never do they say it's ok to wear them less. This is definitely understandable because if I were a dentist I wouldn't put my neck on the line just for you to be done with your treatment faster -- "better safe than sorry". So my thinking is that most people could probably get by trimming their wear-time by a day or two for each tray and never have a problem... but who is willing to test that theory? After spending thousands of dollars and wearing these bothersome things for a year or more, why risk screwing it all up just to trim a couple of months off of the treatment?
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Jon
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posted 06-21-2007 03:44 PM
That answers is perfectly, D_12. Thanks a ton.
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gettingitdoneat41
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posted 06-21-2007 06:37 PM
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Originally posted by Jon:Anyway, I tried searching for this but couldn't come up with the answer. I suppose I could call my ortho, but I bet the all of you brilliant "doctors" on here can help me out based on your experiences. The question is, is it bad to move to the next set of trays before the two or three weeks is up? I mean, if you can get the next set of trays to fit correctly on your teeth is it okay to switch a few days early? I don't want to rush things, but if I feel like my current trays are loose and my teeth are finished moving, I might as well move on. Thanks! Jon[/B]
Hi, This issue has been addressed many times on this forum but I understand this forum is so big now it's hard to go through all of it. I'm sure BadBoy will chime in on this one. But from what I understand, it's a bad idea to switch before 2 weeks as you risk damging your roots if things haven't healed after the teeth have moved (usually within the first couple days). But if you have been told to go for 3 weeks instead of two for each aligner, have a chat with your ortho to find out why. My ortho initially had me go 3 weeks with my first aligners just to be safe. When he saw that I was compliant and that my teeth were moving well, he let me continue with the rest at 2 weeks each. Hope this helps.
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gettingitdoneat41
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posted 06-21-2007 06:49 PM
Sorry D-12, I didn't "turn the page" on this thread when I answered the last question and didn't notice you had already addressed it. quote:
Originally posted by Jon:
That answers is perfectly, D_12. Thanks a ton.
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TMG
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posted 06-22-2007 09:07 AM
Jon-that is a big NO-NO! Your teeth moves in the first couple of days and the rest of the time is for them to settle and heal...from what I have heard if u switch to soon it could cause damadge to nerves and tissues...
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Pricey102
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posted 06-22-2007 12:17 PM
I hate this dry pasty taste in my mouth. What do you guys do to prevent it.
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Amy's teeth
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posted 06-22-2007 12:33 PM
Hi Pricey,
I always have water with me and drink pretty constantly throughout the day. If I go without water, I do find that I get a somewhat dry mouth. I also use breath strips for a quick freshener.
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sdjd8401
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posted 06-22-2007 12:40 PM
I am a new invisalign user. I got my molds done May 14 and have not heard a word on them. It's been 5 weeks. Does it usually take this long to get them back?
I have been reading the messages on here and was wondering are you allowed to drink something like propel fitness water since it's a clear liquid without taking the aligners out?
I'm getting really nervous about starting this since reading all the messages about how much pain everyone has been in.
Any input would be appreciated. Thanks. 
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Pricey102
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posted 06-22-2007 12:41 PM
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Originally posted by Amy's teeth:
Hi Pricey,
I always have water with me and drink pretty constantly throughout the day. If I go without water, I do find that I get a somewhat dry mouth. I also use breath strips for a quick freshener.
My water consumption has at least tripled since I started this process. I was always a big water drinker to begin with (at least 3L a day- but now I have lost count). The breath strips are perfect. Thank you so Amy (Im also an Amy... )
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Ame
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posted 06-22-2007 02:14 PM
I'm an Amy too : )
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D_12
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posted 06-22-2007 02:44 PM
I'm experiencing the 'dry mouth syndrome' too only it's more my teeth that feel dry ...if that makes sense..I'm on day 3 now and removing the trey's have become much easier and less painful...if not for the constant feel of dryness in my teeth (even with water!) I'd almost feel very comfortable wearing these now..
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D_12
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posted 06-22-2007 02:49 PM
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Originally posted by sdjd8401:
I am a new invisalign user. I got my molds done May 14 and have not heard a word on them. It's been 5 weeks. Does it usually take this long to get them back?
I have been reading the messages on here and was wondering are you allowed to drink something like propel fitness water since it's a clear liquid without taking the aligners out?
I'm getting really nervous about starting this since reading all the messages about how much pain everyone has been in.
Any input would be appreciated. Thanks.
I had my molds done on May 10th and just had them put in this past Wednesday. If I were you I'd call the dentists office for a update.
As for the pain it seems to depend on how many 'buttons' you have put in. I have 5 buttons (3 on top 2 on bottom) and it does get easier gradually. I'm just on day 3 here and it feels much better.
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TMG
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posted 06-22-2007 03:01 PM
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Originally posted by sdjd8401:
I am a new invisalign user. I got my molds done May 14 and have not heard a word on them. It's been 5 weeks. Does it usually take this long to get them back?
I have been reading the messages on here and was wondering are you allowed to drink something like propel fitness water since it's a clear liquid without taking the aligners out?
I'm getting really nervous about starting this since reading all the messages about how much pain everyone has been in.
Any input would be appreciated. Thanks.
It took about 5 weeks to get my aligners. It will probably be any day now.
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sdjd8401
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posted 06-22-2007 03:29 PM
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Originally posted by TMG:
It took about 5 weeks to get my aligners. It will probably be any day now.
Thank you so much for the feedback.
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BadBoy
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posted 06-22-2007 03:55 PM
Yes keep a bottle of water with you always and drink some water and swish it in your mouth often to prevent the dry mouth issue. I also keep a breath spray in my pocket and spray a little on my tongue once in a while.
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sdjd8401
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posted 06-22-2007 03:55 PM
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Originally posted by D_12:
I had my molds done on May 10th and just had them put in this past Wednesday. If I were you I'd call the dentists office for a update. As for the pain it seems to depend on how many 'buttons' you have put in. I have 5 buttons (3 on top 2 on bottom) and it does get easier gradually. I'm just on day 3 here and it feels much better.
I forgot I had the 1st molds done 5/14/07 then they called me 2 weeks later and said that Invisalign needed new molds of my lower teeth so i went back on 5/31/07 and had the second molds. Will i have to wait 5 weeks from the 2nd molds you think?
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TMG
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posted 06-22-2007 04:31 PM
I would wait it out til the end of this month (another week) and then ask your dentist. I had tried calling my dentist at 3 and 4 and both times got nothing other than we will call u when we get them...
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sdjd8401
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posted 06-22-2007 04:42 PM
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Originally posted by TMG:
I would wait it out til the end of this month (another week) and then ask your dentist. I had tried calling my dentist at 3 and 4 and both times got nothing other than we will call u when we get them...
That is exactly what happened to me. I called after 3 and 4 too and I finally gave up and didn't call them this week. I'll wait until the end of next week and then call again. Thanks.
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piggy_pig
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posted 06-22-2007 10:01 PM
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Originally posted by sdjd8401:
I forgot I had the 1st molds done 5/14/07 then they called me 2 weeks later and said that Invisalign needed new molds of my lower teeth so i went back on 5/31/07 and had the second molds. Will i have to wait 5 weeks from the 2nd molds you think?
I had my molds done 5/31 also. They told me not to expect to hear from them until the end of June/early July, at the earliest.
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Jon
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posted 06-22-2007 10:27 PM
I'll tell you whats killing me right now. My ortho had to shave .15 millimeters off a couple of teeth to make some room. He put some numbing gel on the file he used in case he got too close to my gum or lip.Well, he got too close to both and I had a few small cuts on my lips when he finished. Now they've turned into canker sores and are really bothering me. Anyone else had this happen? I don't think there's any treatment for them...you just have to wait until they go away.
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chris8796
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posted 06-25-2007 09:51 AM
I thought I'd drop a quick note for the new or prospective user. These forums are a great place to get info and usually only people with "problems" seek out these forums online. My experience has been good so far and I've had them a month now and pretty much on auto-pilot. I have very little side-effects or unpleasant symptoms. My only real symptoms are pressure the first day of a new tray and typically tooth soreness on day 2 of a new tray. I don't feel the need to use pain-relievers for either. I had a few more symptoms with the first tray, I had a lisp for maybe a day, a day or two of the dry mouth/sore throat. I had no tongue soreness eventhough it seemed to like to explore these new things in my mouth. Hopefully, it remains this way for the next year and with great results. I still have to get the IPRs before tray 8 so hopefully that's not too bad.
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Jess
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posted 06-26-2007 12:07 AM
Hey everyone,
So i got my buttons, 5 on top 4 on bottom. Has anyone had a hell of a time getting there invisalign out? My gums started bleeding a little on top cus i was having a hard time getting the top one off. If anyone has any advice on getting them out easier that would awesome.
Thanks
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Jon
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posted 06-26-2007 07:18 AM
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Originally posted by Jess:
Hey everyone,
So i got my buttons, 5 on top 4 on bottom. Has anyone had a hell of a time getting there invisalign out? My gums started bleeding a little on top cus i was having a hard time getting the top one off. If anyone has any advice on getting them out easier that would awesome.
Thanks
I just got mine a week ago with 4 buttons on top and bottom. Yeah, they were a complete pain to get off. The way I did it was this:I took my fingernail and popped on side up in the back, just enough to get it loose. Then I actually took my thumb and index finger and grabbed hold of the entire tray (almost like I was going to grab one of my back molars and yank it out) and pulled it up off my back teeth. Once you pull it far enough up you kind of get your fingers underneath of it and move to the front to pop it off the buttons. It feels like you are going to bend or break your trays, and you do have to be careful, but they are pretty strong. There will be a pretty good pop when you finally get them out. After three or four days, your teeth will have moved and the tray will get loose and you'll have an easier time getting them out. It still snaps and pops in and out over those buttons, however. Hope this helps.
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jil
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posted 06-26-2007 08:36 AM
I'm not sure about the tray being pretty strong part. I've been really careful with them after the first one had cracked on day 15. I hope the current one would survive.
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Violet
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posted 06-26-2007 01:32 PM
Does anyone know what a tooth would feel like if the nerve was dying? How long would it take? They said it's normal for one tooth to ache more but I'd like a second opinion from you guys! I just put on my second set and the aching on one tooth is noticably greater. For the other teeth, I feel a general aching of the jaw and teeth, but the one tooth feels like a needle poking at the inside. The pain is sharper. This isn't even one of the teeth that gets moved a lot. Is this normal anyway?
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Jess
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posted 06-26-2007 02:16 PM
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I just got mine a week ago with 4 buttons on top and bottom. Yeah, they were a complete pain to get off. The way I did it was this:I took my fingernail and popped on side up in the back, just enough to get it loose. Then I actually took my thumb and index finger and grabbed hold of the entire tray (almost like I was going to grab one of my back molars and yank it out) and pulled it up off my back teeth. Once you pull it far enough up you kind of get your fingers underneath of it and move to the front to pop it off the buttons. It feels like you are going to bend or break your trays, and you do have to be careful, but they are pretty strong. There will be a pretty good pop when you finally get them out. After three or four days, your teeth will have moved and the tray will get loose and you'll have an easier time getting them out. It still snaps and pops in and out over those buttons, however. Hope this helps. [/B][/QUOTE] Thanks for the advice. I was able to get them off ok today had to use a small screw driver(the kind for sunglasses) to get them off. Hopefully tomorrow will be alot better. I know they told me the first couple of days they will be hard to get off, but should loosen by the 3rd day.
Has anyone had their invisalign break? My dentist told me that they won't break, but it sure feels like i could snap it in half while taking them out.
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Jon
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posted 06-26-2007 04:55 PM
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Originally posted by Jess:
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I just got mine a week ago with 4 buttons on top and bottom. Yeah, they were a complete pain to get off. The way I did it was this:I took my fingernail and popped on side up in the back, just enough to get it loose. Then I actually took my thumb and index finger and grabbed hold of the entire tray (almost like I was going to grab one of my back molars and yank it out) and pulled it up off my back teeth. Once you pull it far enough up you kind of get your fingers underneath of it and move to the front to pop it off the buttons. It feels like you are going to bend or break your trays, and you do have to be careful, but they are pretty strong. There will be a pretty good pop when you finally get them out. After three or four days, your teeth will have moved and the tray will get loose and you'll have an easier time getting them out. It still snaps and pops in and out over those buttons, however. Hope this helps.
Thanks for the advice. I was able to get them off ok today had to use a small screw driver(the kind for sunglasses) to get them off. Hopefully tomorrow will be alot better. I know they told me the first couple of days they will be hard to get off, but should loosen by the 3rd day.
Has anyone had their invisalign break? My dentist told me that they won't break, but it sure feels like i could snap it in half while taking them out.[/B][/QUOTE]
I haven't broken them, but the first day I had them and used the method I described to you earlier I bent one side of my lower tray as I was pulling it up. When I put it back in my mouth the one side was noticeably not sitting down on my back teeth...so I kind of worried that I had ruined them. However, I bent it back a little bit and over the next couple of days, that side settled back down and fits really snug on my teeth. They were pretty resilient the first week. I'm on my 2nd week now and they are a little more flimsy in general, but I don't feel anywhere close to actually breaking them.
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AnneC
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posted 06-26-2007 07:20 PM
Violet, I can't answer your question but suggest calling your ortho/dentist, whoever is in charge of your Invisalign case if you think this is extraordinary pain you're experiencing. It may very well be better by tomorrow, but by all means ask them if you need to - that's what they're there for. Hope you feel relief soon! Now - all you *newbies* having difficulty removing your trays: Are you using a small piece of paper towel or gauze to help grip your trays? I'd put that tip at the top of my list of helpful advice - never could really get a good grip without it! Made it a piece of cake for me, but I didn't have any attachments on my front incisors. Give it a go if you've not yet...
anything to make it easier.
AnneC
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spry01
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posted 06-27-2007 12:22 AM
I have found the easiest way to remove them is for the uppers just getting my index fingernails on both sides and pulling down and for the lowers using my thumbnails and pushing down. I find them extremely easy now to remove (I am on aligner 8) although my thumbnail has just split right down to the quick so I am worried now once I totally break the nail off I am not going to find it quite so easy!!
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jil
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posted 06-27-2007 05:10 AM
Jon, my first tray cracked right after I was done with it, exactly in the spot where a problematic tooth is. The tooth is so out of line there, I can understand why it would be the weakest spot and the first place to give away. Two days before the tray broke, it felt kind of strange and 'rubbery' in my mouth. I've been extra careful with my second set, for example I brush it more 'gently', or not to put it back in right after I used mouth wash (I figured maybe mouth wash damage the plastic somehow). For me taking the trays out has never been a struggle, they just pop right out when I pull them - so that can't have been the reason. You would think that something that is supposed to move your teeth back and forth, would be stronger.
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Violet
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posted 06-28-2007 01:12 AM
Thanks, Anne. Yes, I did call, and they said it should be fine... I sure hope they are right! >.<And for those of you with troublesome buttons, here's my experience: All my buttons on my lower jaw broke off the first time I took off the trays. I called my ortho and they said that my buttons were just there for "extra security" and so not to worry about it. So now I just have four buttons up top... the tray was painful to take out so I shaved the remaining buttons down a bit so the tray can slide on and off more easily. My ortho said it was fine, too. I'm starting to see a pattern that whatever happens is all just "fine" for them lol...
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jil
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posted 06-28-2007 03:03 AM
I discovered this morning while brushing my teeth, that I can no longer can get my back lower back teeth to completely touch the upper back teeth. The reason is that one of the lower canine was pushed out so much it prevents the mouth from closing properly. And that's only in the second tray. I hope that would be fixed at the end and everything would be 'fine'.Other than that, my teeth do not feel sensitive any more and I have a week to go till I switch to the next tray. I'm doing 16 days on this one, because I have a flight next week. I wore my first tray for 15 days. I rather be sure my teeth stay healthy and are not moved too fast, than shortening my treatment time. I wish the trays would be doing as well as my teeth, I'm still worried about them being cracked. Violet, I hope everything will go smoothly by you. How many days did you wear your first tray?
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arch712
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posted 06-28-2007 07:01 PM
I'm really pleased with my Ortho so far, and I've only had a consultation. They all were really nice, and they made me feel extremely comfortable. I was impressed with the letter they sent me a couple of days ago. Below is the content. I'm really getting excited now.Dear Me I've recently completed your examination and have concluded that orthodontic treatment would be beneficial. I always desire to keep my patients as well informed as possible throughout their treatment. My initial examination revealed the following: Normal horizontal jaw growth
Upper arch is too narrow
Lower arch is too narrow
Upper and lower front teeth are crowded
Upper front teeth protrude
Gums are receded in some areas
(isolated - mild)
Wearing of the enamel
(anterior) As a result, my treatment plan is as follows: Comprehensive orthodontic treatment
(Suggested Cleaning and Checkup Prior to Orthodontics)
Invisalign Treatment
Treat without tooth removal
Selective tooth slenderizing
Approximately 15 Months of Active Treatment Thanks very much for the opportunity to have met with you. If you have any questions, please feel free to call me at any time.
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prettysmart1
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posted 06-28-2007 09:29 PM
I got my molds done on May 30th and the aligners were delivered on June 26th, about 4 weeks total. quote:
Originally posted by sdjd8401:
I am a new invisalign user. I got my molds done May 14 and have not heard a word on them. It's been 5 weeks. Does it usually take this long to get them back?
I have been reading the messages on here and was wondering are you allowed to drink something like propel fitness water since it's a clear liquid without taking the aligners out?
I'm getting really nervous about starting this since reading all the messages about how much pain everyone has been in.
Any input would be appreciated. Thanks.
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Violet
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posted 06-28-2007 11:00 PM
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Originally posted by jil:
Violet, I hope everything will go smoothly by you. How many days did you wear your first tray?
Thanks, Jil, same to you! I ended up keeping my first trays for 20 days, so almost three weeks. I wanted to be extra cautious with my first ones, so I kept them in longer (which again was fine by my ortho, haha). I'm adapting to my second set much more quickly, so I'm starting to feel better about all this!
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